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  1. V3.5 repairs and restoration

    HI, I realise it's free and has no ads and I appreciate that, but I think it's easier if I just build a facebook page.
  2. V3.5 repairs and restoration

    Ok so things crawled to a halt due to rope lost in the mail. Finally my heavy duty close end thimbles arrived from germany.   I bought from:, or possibly their associated company It isn't clear to me how it all works but maybe yacht steel is for large quantities and the other is for small orders.   Anyway they were by far the cheapest including shipping. About $47 for 14 thimbles, and I can see why these are so expensive. Each is a big hunk of stainless beautifully made.   I decided to go with dyneema despite advice to the contrary. I want to give it a try and it's a cheap enough experiment. If it does not work well I can always get stainless shrouds made up. That's one of the things about tiny boats like this, everything is cheap and easy.   I've also measured the mast,it's about 65 x 43 mm. A very light section, so although it's 6.7 meters high it is a much lighter thing to step than a 14' mast. I have not weighed it and the boom/main yet but I think the whole boat must be comfortably under 60kg.   I'd appreciate opinions on making or buying an affordable telescopic tiller extension. The boat has been modified by someone insane. They have fixed 2 short tiller extensions, one each side, with weird handles on them. They are too short to be useful but more importantly there is nothing to restrain the one not in use so it's just flopping around looking for an opportunity to jam the rudders or get up to other mischief. Because the boat is SO sensitive my position is critical so I need to be able to move forward. Because the beam is so small and the tillers sit above the crosstube for some reason a fixed length extension is not ideal.   Any thoughts and comments appreciated...    
  3. V3.5 repairs and restoration

    I read a lot about dyneema before I started. Apparently if you bend it tighter than 5x the rope diameter, in this case 4mm/20mm it loses a signifigant % of its strength due to strand breakage.   Having said that I think the rope is so strong strength is probably not an issue in a small boat like this and I could have used normal thimbles. If I had thought I'd probably to to 5mm to be safe. The rope weighs nothing but the thimbles are HEAVY! so with 5 mm rope and normal pressed stainless thimbles it would weigh less overall and have a larger margin of safety. Cost would be similar though. The thimbles cost about $47 delivered for 14. Also dux doesn't come in 4mm as far as I have been able to find so there is that...   I'm giving up on this forum. I might build a page on facebook or something to document the rest. The forum won't let me post any more photos.   I've got some pics of the rigged boat with the new shrouds and the other rope replacements I've done. I've really enjoyed the process,doing something new as well as eliminating all those sharp points. Makes me happy. If the shrouds actually work and last then all the better
  4. V3.5 repairs and restoration

    It has a track and car but the car locks. It's not my favourite setup but again I'll make changes one at a time. I've been not well this last week but yesterday and today finally started making shrouds. I've done the lowers and will do the uppers next then forestay and hopefully bridle. My tails are not as neat as they could be but the dyneema is a pleasure to work with, very different than traditional rope. Once the rigging is safe I want to take it out in light winds and see how I feel about other stuff...
  5.   Unbelievable. No one has seen one before and now a second one for sale...
  6. V3.5 repairs and restoration

    Yes I can add clips. The existing tiller extensions are only about 18" long and not telescopic, so they are virtually useless anyway. There are holes in teh middle, I assume it had a proper extension previously but a DPO has changed it to a system that doesn't work   Thank you for the suggestion though..
  7. V3.5 repairs and restoration

    Oh that's yours ? Ok. I was thinking of asking the calypso group how they felt about my posting there... that is probably my "natural" home among the FB groups I've found.
  8. V 3.5 sailing report.

    Just a quick update.   I've had trouble getting my bits to re rig the boat (in the mail) so haven't been able to go sailing. I have however been able to weight it. The hulls connecting structure rudders main sheet tramp everything except the rig is 44 kg. I have not weighed the mast boom and sail but the mast is a very small section. When I start putting things right I'll put up progress in the shed section, assuming anyone is interested.
  9. V 3.5 sailing report.

    I don't know if this is appropriate and I'm not sure where to put it so I thought here was a reasonable guess...I realise most of you are in to established makes and probably racing  but it's possible someone in future will be looking at this or a similar cat and deciding whether to buy it.   I took the new tiny cat out today for my first sail on it. It has V3.5 on the sail, it's 3.5 meters long and about 1.6 wide. I can just about lift the whole boat less rig, it must weigh about 30 kg. I intend to try and weight the hulls at some point.   My point of reference is a a caper  cat I owned for many years. Sailed it all over moreton bay and wivenhoe dam, so all comparisons are to that boat.   Today was a bad day to go sailing and particularly in such a tiny boat. The forecast said 20 knots and I though I might just about manage that but I swear it was blowing at least 25 as I sailed out at Manly about noon. As I got into open water the chop was about 2'. In the CaperCat this would be no problem, I routinely sailed in 4' chop and high winds. It is a much bigger boat than the extra 2' of beam and 2'6" of length might imply.   The 3.5 was another story. It was like a windsurfer, only much wetter  The chop was tossing the boat about like a cork,  and as you'd expect it was VERY sensitive to crew weight.   I had lashed the funny little handles someone had put on the tiller bar. One each side and no way to secure them so they moved around and snagged things so....unfortunately this meant I had to sit aft to steer and the transoms dragged terribly.   I hadn't checked the sail. I knew it was pretty second hand. I should I tried to beat the top half of the sail kept backwinding, the battens had reverse curve on them. I haven't looked yet, still recovering from a really hard day but I can only assume they are vastly over tight. It got worse. The boat has a vang and I didn't bother to mount it. Big mistake. The sail kicks like no boat I've ever sailed on. I couldn't get it to tack so I turned off the wind and ran a bit and brought it round carefully, not really a jibe, and headed back in. Or tried to... As I came round the upper battens must have got caught in the shrouds, I had a twisted sail and had to go back over to starboard, pull the sail free then back to port again. Very messy, and quite scary. You have to be really careful about where you are on the boat.   Then it got worse. The lower batten came out about half way. NO way I could stand up to grab it so I jut kept heading in. Yep it fell out and was gone. Stupid me tried to find it so to stop the boat blowing away I stepped off (it was shallow as) and capsized the boat. About half an hour later of dragging it around and trying to simultaneously unbury the mast from the mud and pull the hulls over I finally got it righted and walked in to the ramp.   Now if your smart your thinking most of that was my fault, and yes it most certainly was. I didn't do my preparations properly. I had test rigged it, but did not inspected the components properly. I was slack not rigging the vang. Most of all I shouldn't have gone out today. It was one of those cursed days where everything goes wrong from the start. I already knew this when I woke this morning, late, because I'd taken my pills late last night. That lead to a late start, traffic, low tide when I arrived at manly, problems setting up the boat..and that blessed wind of course. All the signes were there but I was so keen to get  a sail I powered through. If I'd dropped it in the river instead it probably would have gone much better. Less wind, no waves...   So disasters apart what about the boat ?   Well whenever I managed to catch some wind and the sail took shape it was magic. It'd take off like a bullet, and being so small, light and sensitive it was more like wearing a running shoe than being aboard a boat. In the right conditions it would be a properly lovely thing to sail, but right conditions include flat water and the rig properly tuned and in reasonable order.   I am 85 kg more or less. You MIGHT just get 2 adults on it, but 1 adult or 2 children is probably more the right weight. Everything on the boat is light. Stepping the mast is trivial, moving it around is trivial. I carry it on the ladder racks of my ute and I can load and unload it on my own. What I do want is wheels, probably a kayak trolley strapped to one of the hulls then tilt the thing to wheel it around.   Well I hope that is of interest to someone.
  10. Sundance 4.3 Needs a New Home

    Thank you for the quick reply. Kulacat: Everything cheap or interesting is always either caboolture or the GC   or WA.... I don't know how fussed I am on what looks like a small single access to the locker ? Hobbyhorsing was a problem with the 14, not a big deal but annoying. The biggest thing I wanted to do to mine is put on a forward net. Those rare occasions when I needed to go forward at sea were an absolute pain. I couldn't hang on to the forestay until I got to the forward beam so it was just luck I didn't lose my balance while on the hull. Anyway I might put an ad up and see what happens. I've had remarkably good luck with gumtree over the years...thank you for use of the photo. It helps a lot attracting attention on gumtree.    
  11. Sundance 4.3 Needs a New Home

    Oh my goodness, it's just like a 14 only longer!   Yes I saw Matt15's posts on the kulacat. I'd like to see if anyone has sailed both. As you say the caper was built well and heavy, the kula looks to have been a lighter boat with less rocker and finer hulls.   Maybe I should put a wanted ad on gumtree see if I can flush out a CC18   How would you feel about me using your photo ?
  12. Sundance 4.3 Needs a New Home

    Thank you for your comments.   I have 3 14' mains I can cut down, 2 maricat which are quite tired and a hobie. I had planned to break out my sewing machine and try to remember how to use it, cutting down one of the maricat sails. If I muck it up no loss...but I thought I'd post on gumtree just in case. The arafura cadets went to a big head sail recently so there is a small possibility those racing them might have pin head sails they want to ditch.   I'd love to see a caper 18, heard of them never seen one. I loved my 14, never flew a hull which for me was a good thing. I came home from mud island to woody point one afternoon on a beam reach at 8 knots in 4' swell. Quite hairy and I was sore for a week afterwards. That's as hard sailing as I ever want to do, but satisfying in a way.   Have you experience of the Kula cat ? I asked elsewhere how they compare to the caper cat...seem more lightly built. I'd love to see one.   I dealt with the gentleman at calypso at sandgate when I needed something, which wasn't often. I found him very easy to deal with, patient and reasonable in every respect. I thought it a pity when they closed. I also lamented the passing of express multihulls. I've always been a big fan of the little barrier and regret not buying one at the time.   I thought the sundancer hull looked a bit like a nacra. I hope you enjoy yours.
  13. Lockers in hulls

    It's odd no one else went down that path. I read the kulacat thread. So they were made at Southport. Hm. Maybe I'll keep an eye out for any forsale.   I don't suppose you know how they sail compared to a caper cat ?   When you say port hatch are you talking about 6" inspection ports ?   Thank you for the reply.
  14. Lockers in hulls

    Hi all,   I am curious what other beach cats had lockers in the hulls. I had a caper cat and am aware of a calypso that had them. Apparently there is a nacra and a hobie with them. Any others I don't know about ?   I always thought they were a great addition to the caper cat. Probably sold a lot of boats and helped them get the cult following they enjoy.
  15. Sundance 4.3 Needs a New Home

    Telf: Thank you for the comments. Often hard to part with something you've owned for a long time.   Matt15: By poor performance do you mean speed or ability to windward ? I had a caper cat for years and while it was terribly limited in so many ways it is probably my favorite boat of all time. I've not previously paid much attention to the other brands of beach cat, my main interest is bigger boats, and I now find it all a bit bewildering.
  16. Sundance 4.3 Needs a New Home

    Thank you for replying. I was just curious. Seemed awfully cheap.   Oddly I've had people throwing 14' stuff at me but no useful responses to my gumtree ad for a 12' mainsail. Obviously 14' cats are more common, but also probably more sought after ? Anyway...   Glad you resolved it.
  17. Sundance 4.3 Needs a New Home

    Did you sell the boat ?
  18. Sydney Social Cat Sailors Group

    I've just sent a request to join to the seq group. I'll not be taking the tiny cat out until I've sorted the rig, but I might come out with you lot one day if the wind is light.
  19. Sundance 4.3 Needs a New Home

    My goodness, that's a lot of boat for very little money...
  20. V 3.5 sailing report.

    That's interesting but I don't know how much better it would be than simply pulling a capercat apart.   I've seen windrushes and most of the other common beach cats, just never paid attention to them. They are all as common as muck up here.   Is this one ?   8' is legal to cartop, it just isn't pleasant. And the difference between stepping a capercat mast and the one on my tinycat is HUGE   I hate racing, still scarred by an experience racing keel boats back when the world was young. Thus my interest is cruising and of course the capercat offers a lot in that respect. That's why I like them. The lockers, the freeboard, the conservative rig, the quality, the carrying capacity. That is why if I were to buy another 14' cat it'd be something like a capercat not a windrush hobie paper tiger cobra hydra.....   But, as I say, my only expectation of this boat is to potter around and have a spot of fun. It's all good.
  21. 4 mm dyneema

    Oh yes I should have thought of that. Thank you.
  22. 4 mm dyneema

    Hi,   I was wondering if anyone has an opinion on whether I can get away with 4mm dyneema dux ? My 3.5 meter cat needs new shrouds and probably forestay. It's currently 3 mm stainless wire.   The price difference between 4mm dyneema and 5 mm is large so...   Also has anyone bought from this person on ebay or knows of a good cheap source of DD ?   He claims it's the good Hampidjan 75 stuff. I probably need 20 meters or so...   I need a sail aswell   It's completely shot...and a batten...
  23. V 3.5 sailing report.

    Once again, I'm not new to this. I've been sailing for decades. The tiny cat is not my only boat. I bought it with open eyes to achieve a specific purpose. Is it a great boat ? no. Is it versatile ? no. But for now at least I'm happy with it... it's a bit of fun. If worse comes to worse I'll use it as a base to build a sliding rigger row boat, and in that roll it would be superb.
  24. 4 mm dyneema

    Again thank you for the reply.   I called them and they said they can't actually do the swages for me. They can loan me the tool and show me how. I have to say I'm not very confident about getting them the same length. How accurate does it have to be ?   I don't suppose anyone knows someone in brisbane or abouts who can do it for me ?
  25. 4 mm dyneema

    Oh really ? So I can go to whitworths and they will do it ? That'd be great.